legal troubles with Hustler mags from the 80s and 90s
An austrian antiquarian bookseller told me, that one dealer of used magazines had troubles with the old Hustler issues of the 80s and 90s.
Police confiscated them, because they claimed, that some models were 16 or 17 years old.
These mags were sold to US troops in Austria. I never knew until last week, that they were US troops stationed in Austria and even in the neutral Switzerland - but this info is correct.
But the US Hustler mag had only models 18+, or ?
I doubt, that this is a special edition ( for military abroad ), because Ive never heard of this too.
Anyone knows more about this ? Police said, they "looked younger as 18 and estimated their age as 16 or 17". But this isnt a proof at all.
Many of the "18teen" models look like 17, because they just turned 18.
Ive seen and met girls, who were early 20 and looked like 16.
And vice versa.
"When you see mandatory references to "Section 18 U.S.C. 2257" or "Section 75 C.F.R" during the opening credits of any one of your many beat-off tapes or digital video discs, you're looking directly at a silent homage to the legacy of Traci Lords"
Re: legal troubles with Hustler mags from the 80s and 90s
Traci Lords appeared in several Hustler issues in 84-85, when she was 16 or 17. In the late 70's, Hustler and a few other mags did have very underage models, rejoiced in it.
A 1977 French Oui issue had twelve year actress Eva Ionesco in some photos that were in between soft core and hardcore (close ups her of spread vagina).
I'll never forget a thirteen year old in Swank magazine in 1977. She oozed sensuality like an experienced porn actress....
Speaking of which, child porn wasn't outlawed till 1978. Porn studios would shoot an 11 year old, and an 18 year old, being screwed in adjacent rooms.
Back to the 80's, I forget the names, but there were two other very prolific 16 year olds in porn. They never got in trouble, like Traci, and quietly faded away after the Traci scandal broke.
There was a very young looking, but legal Brit, who went by the name of "Baby Breeze" who did pictorials in both Hustler and Penthouse (1979). She wore a tank top with a large number 12 on it. Hustler reposted her pictorial several times into the 80's-trying to push the feds to prosecute a non case.
Hustler did seek out very young looking models, trying to push the envelope. Even though the girls were legal, and looked 12-13, they would put her in pigtails, holding a lollipop and a doll. Porn actress Lil Sinderella comes to mind in this respect.
When Lil Sinderella played a middle schooler in an early 90's Cherry Popper vid, federal law was changed to forbid actresses to pretend to be underage.
Lastly, it was hustler that created the "Barely Legal" video series. After it's success, other studios followed.
Larry Flynt has always pushed the envelope and I suspect that he's the one on a story I broke several years ago. What happened was this-I noticed that in a movie, an underage child actress would do a nude scene, but it never saw light of day-being cut from the film, and supposedly destroyed. It would be a child actress, or one who had been a child actress, but was now a very cute 18 or 19. Among the actresses were Kirsten Dunst (Crazy Beautiful), Alexis Bledel (The Orphan King), Melissa Joan Hart ( Rent Control), and Michelle Tractenberg (Eurotrip).
Whomever this was had deep pockets. They were paying for movies that never got released. A good example is The Orphan King. Alexis did film a shower scene, and she was seen full frontal, but the movie never was released. Someone is paying to see well known young cuties bare all without ever being on the set. Someone with deep pockets who is hoarding this footage. I looked closely and Flynt was the most likely person, but it might be someone else (IMHO).
Re: legal troubles with Hustler mags from the 80s and 90s
Originally Posted by Dudester
A 1977 French Oui issue had twelve year actress Eva Ionesco in some photos that were in between soft core and hardcore.
I used Google Images on Eva Ionesco and was surprised to see the amount of material on her on the net.
Originally Posted by Dudester
Speaking of which, child porn wasn't outlawed till 1978. Porn studios would shoot an 11 year old, and an 18 year old, being screwed in adjacent rooms.
While the “Act of Shooting” an 11 YO may not have been illegal prior to 1978, the physical act had to be statutory rape anywhere in the country (USA). How did they get away with this? I’ve been a porn dog since 1968 and while never looking for kiddie porn if it was legal you would think that I would have run across it and I never did. You speak with some authority on the subject Dudester but I can not believe this was wide spread.
Originally Posted by Dudester
Back to the 80's, I forget the names, but there were two other very prolific 16 year olds in porn. They never got in trouble, like Traci, and quietly faded away after the Traci scandal broke.
I can recall one other Pre-18YO porn star that had her material removed from the shelves but I can not recall her name. More recently one of our APHs had her early scenes dropped from the web sites she shot for and later had different scenes added. Never heard the scoop on that.
Originally Posted by Dudester
When Lil Sinderella played a middle schooler in an early 90's Cherry Popper vid, federal law was changed to forbid actresses to pretend to be underage.
Is this true? I thought the opposite was. I thought there was a Supreme Court case where they tried to get girls like Kitty banned. I thought the Court sided with the girls and studios stating that if you’re “of age” the government can’t stand in the way of making a living.
Several years ago there was a big ta do started on the Bill O’Reilly’s show about the pre-teen modeling sites where parents would photograph their children in provocative and soft core poses and sell memberships to the sites. It’s my understanding that these were shut down. It’s also my understanding the “Naturalist” sites also removed their photos of the weekly teen beauty pageants etc. It’s also my understanding that the Feds actually run some of these sites themselves trolling for pedophiles. I also heard something about search engines have to report people typing in “Lolita” or some jurisdictions tried? Anyways I think anyone looking for this stuff on the net has to be crazy. And if you sign up for one of these sites you’re certified. Needless to say I think the law has a low threshold for anything remotely attractive to a pedophile.
Re: legal troubles with Hustler mags from the 80s and 90s
I only knew the Traci Lords photos, but they were never confiscated before in Europe. And Austria has the US laws for almost 3 years.
But police said, there were several other "underage" models. And most of the mags confiscated were from the 80s and 90s. I am 100% sure, that there are no underage models in the Hustler issues of the 90s.
I am collecting teen porn too ( OLD material with models +15 is still tolerated here ), the age range between 14-17 has nothing to do with pedophilia at all.
Pedophiles are only interested into kids under 12.
"I used Google Images on Eva Ionesco and was surprised to see the amount of material on her on the net. "
They had a large photo segment with her in the italian Playboy,
she even was on the cover of the german news magazine " Der Spiegel ", 22/77, they had a very critical story about childporn.
Unusual for the 70s, most mags neglected this topic, some had a very "liberal" attitude, defending this as " free speech and free press ".
Re: legal troubles with Hustler mags from the 80s and 90s
Originally Posted by ginko23
I’ve been a porn dog since 1968 and while never looking for kiddie porn if it was legal you would think that I would have run across it and I never did. You speak with some authority on the subject Dudester but I can not believe this was wide spread.
Childporn was wildly available in the USA in the 70s. The USA were the biggest importeur of childporn from Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands.
Maybe this was only sold openly in bigger cities, like San Francisco, N.Y., L.A., etc. But you can read about this in scientific literature, but also in old news ( N.Y. Times, TIME Magazine etc. ), but Ive also spoken with some old porn veterans from the USA, DK and NL, who affirmed this.
Until 78/79, even the sex cabinets offered childporn.
I can recommend the movie "Hardcore", with George C. Scott, written by Paul Schrader. The best reflection of this crazy time Ive seen in a hollywood movie.
Re: legal troubles with Hustler mags from the 80s and 90s
Originally Posted by ginko23
While the “Act of Shooting” an 11 YO may not have been illegal prior to 1978, the physical act had to be statutory rape anywhere in the country (USA). How did they get away with this? I’ve been a porn dog since 1968 and while never looking for kiddie porn if it was legal you would think that I would have run across it and I never did. You speak with some authority on the subject Dudester but I can not believe this was wide spread.
In some parts of the country, children were actually considered property. They weren't allowed to press charges or testify in court (children were considered pathological liars-by the law). You only had a prosecution if a parent and another witness actually observed the act and they testified.
Originally Posted by ginko23
Is this true? I thought the opposite was. I thought there was a Supreme Court case where they tried to get girls like Kitty banned. I thought the Court sided with the girls and studios stating that if you’re “of age” the government can’t stand in the way of making a living.
No, the edition of Cherry Poppers I refer t was banned and recalled, two weeks after it was released because the Congress moved with lightning speed. Lil Sinderella and Mickey Lynn played middle schoolers and Alex Dane was at first "raped" then became willing halfway through the act.
Originally Posted by ginko23
Several years ago there was a big ta do started on the Bill O’Reilly’s show about the pre-teen modeling sites where parents would photograph their children in provocative and soft core poses and sell memberships to the sites. It’s my understanding that these were shut down. It’s also my understanding the “Naturalist” sites also removed their photos of the weekly teen beauty pageants etc. It’s also my understanding that the Feds actually run some of these sites themselves trolling for pedophiles. I also heard something about search engines have to report people typing in “Lolita” or some jurisdictions tried? Anyways I think anyone looking for this stuff on the net has to be crazy. And if you sign up for one of these sites you’re certified. Needless to say I think the law has a low threshold for anything remotely attractive to a pedophile.
The reason most of these sites got in trouble was because of "custom shoots". The site itself would be non nude, but if the site had a "benefactor" (big donor) he could buy naked pics of the girl, or in a few cases-sex pics of the girl.
There are still a few sites up and running. One of those sites is BIG BIG money, but they realize that nude pics of their model won't just ruin their product, but get the site shut down, and the money train is over. Also, some of those sites that were really exploiting their models were only paying the girl and her parent 1% of the take. There's still a model out there named Sandra. She started at age 8. Her mom sold nude pics of her to get a site up. The site was shut down after a little over a year. A big money guy stepped up and he slickly ran a site for her. She did at least half a dozen custom shoots and she ruled the preteen modeling world (her nickname to this day remains "The Queen"). The money guy had good lawyers and kept the site up longer than expected, although there was nude pics and videos of her all over the place. When that site shut down, she was out of modeling almost a year (there was rumors of her being preganant because pics of her surfaced with a bloated belly and face, and for the first time, she hid her nipples).
Her sites have been through two incarnations since. She hasn't done any nudes in almost five years. She'll be 18 in 13 months and there's quite a bit of speculation whether or not she'll do porn.
She has a HUGE fan following and it would be a HUGE payday if she was imported to California by the right porn company.
Re: legal troubles with Hustler mags from the 80s and 90s
Originally Posted by Dudester
Her sites have been through two incarnations since. She hasn't done any nudes in almost five years. She'll be 18 in 13 months and there's quite a bit of speculation whether or not she'll do porn.
She has a HUGE fan following and it would be a HUGE payday if she was imported to California by the right porn company.
Sounds to me the mom should be in jail not Max Hardcore. This is a broken girl who probably has no chance at a normal life. When an adult makes the decision to escort or do porn I have no problem with it, but if this girl’s only hopes and dreams is to turn 18 so she’s legal….well that is a depressing story.
legal troubles with Hustler mags from the 80s and 90s
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